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Holly McC's avatar

Listened to this the other day on Jonathon’s podcast. Very, very interesting talk. I enjoyed it so much - lots to ponder, so will listen again. Made me wonder if you’ve ever read Technopoly by Neil Postman. He has some great thoughts on the proper role of technology / proper human-technology hierarchy. Should always be a tool serving humans; not humans serving the technology.

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Neil's avatar

Watching this I felt like I’d lassoed a comet and was just struggling to hang on. So many marvels.

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KAM's avatar

Jonathan Pageau has had an enormous impact on me, far greater than I could ever have anticipated at my stage of life. Not just in how I see the world, but also in how I experience God, because of how he has enabled me to read the Bible. (And the world.)

His hermeneutic doesn't displace what I have known, but rather adds color to monochrome, or a third dimension to flat pictures.

Jonathan has said that he and his semi-reclusive brother Matthieu share the same brain. Matthieu has written a mend-bending book called "The Language of Creation: Cosmic Symbolism in Genesis."

He doesn't make reference to the four Aristotelian causes explicitly, but it's the same paradigm. The book is a magisterial effort to recapture what we lost when we stopped looking for final and formal causes.

The chapters are all 2-3 pages long. There's not a sentence in it that is in difficult English. But I've read it five times now in order to make the shift in paradigm.

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All that Is Solid's avatar

With reference to Mary’s comment about reclaiming the soul narrative here’s an essay she might like about Keats view of life as a ‘vale of soul making’ https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2014/07/25/the-vale-of-soul-making/

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Jane Killingbeck's avatar

Brilliant discussion !

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Zippy's avatar

It seems to me that the principal formative influence of everyone's identity and the now collective psychosis is TV. In a very real sense it patterns and controls almost every aspect of ones brain and nervous system.

http://www.awakeninthedream.com/articles/invasion-of-the-body-snatchers-comes-to-life

At any given moment how many billions of human beings are watching and thus being brain-washed by TV.

Re the collective Wetiko Psychosis check out this reference:

http://www.awakeninthedream.com/undreaming-wetiko-introduction

The Wetiko word was used by Jack Forbes in his book Columbus & Other Cannibals.

It could be said that the Orange Oaf is the leading edge vector of this collective psychosis!

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John Lumgair's avatar

Very interesting I'll look forward to reading that article properly, although now I guess it's it's TV-like influence, rather than TV.

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Alta Ifland's avatar

Watching it now.

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Thomas Sheridan's avatar

Important discussion. Thank you both.

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John Minkowski's avatar

(Do you have an easy way to also present a transcript for these videos?)

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Christina Waters's avatar

If you have an iPhone, try the Symbolic World Apple Podcast feed.

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John Minkowski's avatar

Perfecto - thx!

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