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Nicola Bown's avatar

I am very torn about this piece. I don't like the idea of a vodka-sponsored rave in a cathedral, yet as the vicar of a grade-1 listed church I am all too aware of the amount of money you have to raise to keep the show on the road. In our case it's £2500 a week. For a cathedral it will be much more. I don't think it's right to discuss this as if it were an act of worship because it's clearly a way of paying the bills. Having said that I wouldn't want it in my own church, even if fixed pews allowed it.

I also think that the distinction between charismatic and formal worship is to some extent a false one, perhaps akin to the (in my view) false dichotomy between introverted and extroverted personality types. The Holy Spirit is active in any worship that is whole-hearted, reverent, Christ-centred and involving body and soul. The person sitting with unbidden tears in the back pew, or with unexpectedly lifted heart as they sing a hymn, or who murmurs 'thank you' as they receive the sacrament -- those are charismatic experiences just as much as speaking in tongues or raising your arms in worship.

It's hard to get away from the 'if everyone in the church did the thing I like, everyone else would come to church' fallacy. For myself, I have to hope that reverent worship, care with and commitment to the sacraments, serious preaching and determination to grow in devotion and holiness will be enough, and that God will do the rest.

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That has made me think. I went to Canterbury for Eucharist on Sunday and was so appalled at the HR-speak sermon that I very nearly got up in my pew and said something in protest. Canterbury did a disco thing too last year. I hated the whole idea. Durham had something similar going on last weekend. But you are right. Religion serves many purposes. I went to an Elim "get to know you" event. Loads of young women. All stressed that it was the social side that had brought them into the church. The comfort and solidarity of a crowd of fellow believers. None of them had heard of Maundy Thursday or the Stations of the Cross. We all need and take different things from faith. I want awe, majesty, a connection to the spiritual history of this country, not a coffee morning and some hippy dippy singing. But religion is a vast and complex thing that involves individual conscience, making sense of the infinity of the universe, building and sustaining community on earth, giving a society some moral coherence, keeping alive a cultural identity and much much more. if the Pentecostals can bring more people to God, good luck to them. I'll stick with the bells and smells and Latin chants and all the young fogey boys who are filling up Great St Barts.

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